Right attitude towards money

These are some discourses by Sri Aurobindo and the Mother on the right use of money.

Sri Aurobindo on money

Money is the visible sign of a universal force, and this force in its manifestation on earth works on the vital and physical planes and is indispensable to the fullness of the outer life. In its origin and its true action it belongs to the Divine. But like other powers of the Divine it is delegated here and in the ignorance of the lower Nature can be usurped for the uses of the ego or held by Asuric influences and perverted to their purpose. This is indeed one of the three forces ― power, wealth, sex ― that have the strongest attraction for the human ego and the Asura and are most generally misheld and misused by those who retain them. The seekers or keepers of wealth are more often possessed rather than its possessors; few escape entirely a certain distorting influence stamped on it by its long seizure and perversion by the Asura. For this reason most spiritual disciplines insist on a complete self-control, detachment and renunciation of all bondage to wealth and of all personal and egoistic desire for its possession. Some even put a ban on money and riches and proclaim poverty and bareness of life as the only spiritual condition. But this is an error; it leaves the power in the hands of the hostile forces. To reconquer it for the Divine to whom it belongs and use it divinely for the divine life is the supramental way for the Sadhaka.

You must neither turn with an ascetic shrinking from the money power, the means it gives and the objects it brings, nor cherish a rajasic attachment to them or a spirit of enslaving self-indulgence in their gratifications. Regard wealth simply as a power to be won back for the Mother and placed at her service.

All wealth belongs to the Divine and those who hold it are trustees, not possessors. It is with them today, tomorrow it may be elsewhere. All depends on the way they discharge their trust while it is with them, in what spirit, with what consciousness in their use of it, to what purpose.

In your personal use of money look on all you have or get or bring as the Mother’s. Make no demand but accept what you receive from her and use it for the purposes for which it is given to you. Be entirely selfless, entirely scrupulous, exact, careful in detail, a good trustee; always consider that it is her possessions and not your own that you are handling. On the other hand, what you receive for her, lay religiously before her; turn nothing to your own or anybody else’s purpose.

Do not look up to men because of their riches or allow yourself to be impressed by the show, the power or the influence. When you ask for the Mother, you must feel that it is she who is demanding through you a very little of what belongs to her and the man from whom you ask will be judged by his response.

If you are free from the money-taint but without any ascetic withdrawal, you will have a greater power to command the money for the divine work. Equality of mind, absence of demand and the full dedication of all you possess and receive and all your power of acquisition to the Divine Shakti and her work are the signs of this freedom. Any perturbation of mind with regard to money and its use, any claim, any grudging is a sure index of some imperfection or bondage.

The ideal Sadhaka in this kind is one who if required to live poorly can so live and no sense of want will affect him or interfere with the full inner play of the divine consciousness and if he is required to live richly, can so live and never for a moment fall into desire or attachment to his wealth or to the things that he uses or servitude to self-indulgence or a weak bondage to the habits that the possession of riches creates. The divine Will is all for him and the divine Ananda.

In the supramental creation the money-force has to be restored to the Divine Power and used for a true and beautiful and harmonious equipment and ordering of a new divinised vital and physical existence in whatever way the Divine Mother herself decides in her creative vision. But first it must be conquered back for her and those will be strongest for the conquest who are in this part of their nature strong and large and free from ego and surrendered without any claim or withholding or hesitation, pure and powerful channels for the Supreme Puissance.

Sri Aurobindo, The Mother: The Mother – IV

The Mother on money

Money belongs to the one who spends it; that is an absolute law. You may pile up money, but it doesn’t belong to you until you spend it. Then you have the merit, the glory, the joy, the pleasure of spending it!

Money is meant to circulate. What should remain constant is the progressive movement of an increase in the earth’s production – an ever-expanding progressive movement to increase the earth’s production and improve existence on earth. It is the material improvement of terrestrial life and the growth of the earth’s production that must go on expanding, enlarging, and not this silly paper or this inert metal that is amassed and lifeless.

Money is not meant to generate money; money should generate an increase in production, an improvement in the conditions of life and a progress in human consciousness. This is its true use. What I call an improvement in consciousness, a progress in consciousness, is everything that education in all its forms can provide – not as it’s generally understood, but as we understand it here: education in art, education in … from the education of the body, from the most material progress, to the spiritual education and progress through yoga; the whole spectrum, everything that leads humanity towards its future realization. Money should serve to augment that and to augment the material base for the earth’s progress, the best use of what the earth can give – its intelligent utilization, not the utilization that wastes and loses energies. The use that allows energies to be replenished.

In the universe there is an inexhaustible source of energy that asks only to be replenished; if you know how to go about it, it is replenished. Instead of draining life and the energies of our earth and making of it something parched and inert, we must know the practical exercise for replenishing the energy constantly. And these are not just words; I know how it’s to be done, and science is in the process of thoroughly finding out – it has found out most admirably. But instead of using it to satisfy human passions, instead of using what science has found so that men may destroy each other more effectively than they are presently doing, it must be used to enrich the earth: to enrich the earth, to make the earth richer and richer, more active, generous, productive and to make all life grow towards its maximum efficiency. This is the true use of money. And if it’s not used like that, it’s a vice – a ‘short circuit’ and a vice.

But how many people know how to use it in this way? Very few, which is why they have to be taught. What I call ‘teach’ is to show, to give the example. We want to be the example of true living in the world. It’s a challenge I am placing before the whole financial world: I am telling them that they are in the process of withering and ruining the earth with their idiotic system; and with even less than they are now spending for useless things – merely for inflating something that has no inherent life, that should be only an instrument at the service of life, that has no reality in itself, that is only a means and not an end (they make an end of something that is only a means) – well then, instead of making of it an end, they should make it the means. With what they have at their disposal they could … oh, transform the earth so quickly! Transform it, put it into contact, truly into contact, with the supramental forces that would make life bountiful and, indeed, constantly renewed – instead of becoming withered, stagnant, shriveled up: a future moon. A dead moon.

We are told that in a few millions or billions of years, the earth will become some kind of moon. The movement should be the opposite: the earth should become more and more a resplendent sun, but a sun of life. Not a sun that burns, but a sun that illumines – a radiant glory.

The Mother, Mother’s Agenda: October 4, 1958

39 thoughts on “Right attitude towards money

  1. abhijit

    did sri aurobindo and the mother tell how to come out of financial problems and earn money that can be used in the path and also how to acitvate the mahalaskhmi energy

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      I am not aware of any explicit advice on how to activate the Mahalakshmi energy.

      People turn to the Divine to gain relief from the hardships of life, but as one grows spiritually, one acquires an inward serenity and poise which allows you to become insensitive to and rise above greater hardships. The Gita 7:16 describes four types of seekers who turn to the Divine; one category is of those who seek relief from worldly troubles. See Four types of Divine seekers

      There is some truth in the story titled Footprints in the Sand‘ whose origin is disputed.

      Here is one version rendered in the form of a poem (Copyright © 1984 Mary Stevenson)

      One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
      Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
      In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
      Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
      other times there was one only.
      This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life,
      when I was suffering from anguish,
      sorrow or defeat,
      I could see only one set of footprints,
      so I said to the Lord,
      “You promised me Lord,
      that if I followed you,
      you would walk with me always.
      But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
      there has only been one set of footprints in the sand.
      Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?”
      The Lord replied,
      “The years when you have seen only one set of footprints,
      my child, is when I carried you.”

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  2. Sandeep Post author

    Social and Natural Factors determine Happiness more than Money

    According to Roly Russell, an interdisciplinary scientist at the Sandhill Institute for Sustainability and Complexity in Grand Forks, British Columbia, a nation’s human capital (social structures) and natural capital (nature) are more influential in determining happiness than financial capital (income)

    Russell studied numerous studies about happiness in many nations, assessing 248 variables that the various investigations had relied on. The variables ultimately fell into three broad groups of factors: financial and infrastructure (traits such as GDP and gross domestic savings); human and social (years of schooling, freedom of choice); and natural (health of land on which people live, access to nature)

    Costa Rica had the highest score for life satisfaction among the 123 countries that were represented, even though its GDP is in the world’s lowest third. The single leading factor determining people’s happiness there was a strong social support network.

    Read more@ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/02/22/being-happy-social-and-natural-factors-are-more-important-than-money-especially-in-costa-rica/

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      Another study demonstrating that economic growth does not necessarily lead to happiness.

      For China, Economic Growth Doesn’t Always Equal Happiness

      Despite an unprecedented rate of economic growth, China’s life satisfaction over the last two decades has largely followed the trajectory seen in the central and eastern European transition countries—a decline followed by a recovery, with no change or a declining trend over the period as a whole. There is no evidence of a marked increase in life satisfaction in China of the magnitude that might have been expected based on the fourfold increase in the level of per capita consumption during that period. In its transition, China has shifted from one of the most egalitarian countries in terms of distribution of life satisfaction to one of the least egalitarian. Life satisfaction has declined markedly in the lowest-income and least-educated segments of the population, while rising somewhat in the upper (socioeconomic status) stratum.

      Read more

      http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/05/15/for-china-economic-growth-doesnt-always-equal-happiness/

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  3. ipi

    True Integrity

    Question: Mother, why is it that here, in work, some people venture to satisfy their fancies and thus much money is wasted?

    Mother: It is not money alone that is wasted!

    Energy, Consciousness is infinitely, a thousand times more wasted than money. Should there be no wastage… my word, I believe the Ashram couldn’t be here! There is not a second when there isn’t any wastage – sometimes it is worse than that. There is this habit – hardly conscious, I hope – of absorbing as much Energy, as much Consciousness as one can and using it for one’s personal satisfactions. That indeed is something which is happening every minute. If all the Energy, all the Consciousness which is constantly poured out upon you all, were used for the true purpose, that is, for the divine work and the preparation for the divine work, we should be already very far on the road, much farther than we are. But everybody, more or less consciously, and in any case instinctively, absorbs as much Consciousness and Energy as he can and as soon as he feels this Energy in himself, he uses it for his personal ends, his own satisfaction.

    Who thinks that all this Force that is here, that is infinitely greater, infinitely more precious than all money-forces, this Force which is here and is given consciously, constantly, with an endless perseverance and patience, only for one sole purpose, that of realising the divine work – who thinks of not wasting it? Who realises that it is a sacred duty to make progress, to prepare oneself to understand better and live better? For people live by the divine Energy, they live by the divine Consciousness, and use them for their personal, selfish ends.

    You are shocked when a few thousand rupees are wasted but not shocked when there are… when streams of Consciousness and Energy are diverted from their true purpose!

    If one wants to do a divine work upon earth, one must come with to of patience and endurance. One must know how to live in eternity and wait for the consciousness to awaken in everyone – the consciousness of what true integrity is.

    The Mother, Questions and Answers (1954): 2 June 1954

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  6. Kevin

    6 September 1926
    (second part of the talk)
    Nota:The word “Disciple” does not mean always the same person

    Disciple: You said about the forces that control money that two conditions were necessary. First, one must be very calm and must not get disturbed and have no desire for money. Secondly, it requires a bojhapada ( = an understanding) with the universal forces. What is this understanding?
    Sri Aurobindo: There are many ways. Even in the case of one man there are different methods, I mean in the yogic sense, which he can follow. First, you must put your need before God and ask him to satisfy it; your duty ends there. In that case you need not have any bojhapada – understanding – with the universal forces.
    But we look upon money as a power for the Divine, and, as with everything else, we want to conquer it for the Divine in life. Hence, in our case an “understanding” is necessary. As the money-power to-day is in the hands of the hostile forces, naturally, we have to fight them. Whenever they see that you are trying to oust them they will try to thwart your efforts. You have to bring a higher power than these and put them down. First, they try to trick you by offering success, – one can say, by tying to buy you up. If a man falls into that trap then his spiritual future is ruined.
    You have really to follow a certain rhythm of the money-power, the rhythm that brings in and the one that throws out money. Money is given to you in the beginning; then, you have to deserve it. You have to prove that you do not waste it. If you waste it, then you lose your right to it.
    Disciple: What is waste?
    Sri Aurobindo: Waste is waste. Throwing away money without any order, unorganised expenses without regard to the means of getting money or to the utility of spending. It is not that you have to hoard money. It is there for being spent. But we must spend it in the right way – in a certain order and with an arrangement.
    Sometimes the Divine even follows man’s caprices, as is typified in the case of men like Thakur Dayananda.
    Disciple: Yes. Whatever he gets must be spent away on that very day, that is the rule; and they all wait till they get their next day’s food.
    Sri Aurobindo: The result is that sometimes for seven days they get so much food that they can’t eat and then for fifteen days they have to starve!
    Disciple: Even the young children go without food for that period.
    Sri Aurobindo: Well, that is a chaotic movement; but he follows it!
    Disciple: Even the industrial magnates who get money get into that rhythm of which you spoke.
    Sri Aurobindo: Of course, they do, otherwise they can’t get rich. They take it in and then again they throw it out, then it returns and again it is thrown out. That is the reason why they get colossal wealth. These rich people often have no attachment to money, it is the action of the vital force that they enjoy, not their money.
    Disciple: It is a life-movement.
    Sri Aurobindo: Yes. That was the ideal of the Vaishya as opposed to the Bania – the miser. The Vaishya was the man who could get tremendous wealth and could spend it liberally, could establish the interchange and enter into the rhythm.
    Disciple: But these Marwadis who are very rich are attached to their wealth.
    Sri Aurobindo: No.
    Disciple: No, they are not. We think them greedy because they don’t give money in the way in which we want them to give. They generally spend it in the old conventional way. We think them greedy also because they are particular about small things in their business – caring for pies.
    Sri Aurobindo: It is very necessary. It is exactly that which brings them the money.
    Disciple: Henry Ford has also got that habit and so has become rich. He describes in his biography how he started with the idea not of making money but of giving people a quick conveyance at a small price.
    Sri Aurobindo: The Americans have got the knack of getting into the rhythm which bring them money. The French method, for instance, does not succeed because they follow out small narrow paths, while the Americans boldly get into movement on a large scale and money circulates and as it circulates it accumulates and increases life wherever it flows.
    Disciple: You said that some men have got in their vital being a special capacity that draws money to them.
    Sri Aurobindo: Yes. Some have it. And some women also have got it. Women can give a tremendous push to a man in anything he does. There are also women who are lakshmi-chara – those that take away what you may have.

    (Sandeep : The passage is from A.B. Purani, Evening talks with Sri Aurobindo, Second Series, page 115)

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      thanks Kevin for the addition from the Evening Talks posted above. I found only one place where Sri Aurobindo mentions Adam Smith. See highlighted sentence below

      Work and Ideal

      Buddha only preached and lived a holy life, Christ only preached and lived a holy life, Shankara only preached and lived a holy life, and they have each worked a mighty revolution in the history of the world. Inspiration is real work. Let the truly inspiring word be uttered and it will breathe life into dry bones. Let the inspiring life be lived and it will produce workers by thousands. England draws her inspiration from the names of Shakespeare and Milton, Mill and Bacon, Nelson and Wellington. They did not visit the sickroom, they did not do philanthropic work in the parishes, they did not work spinning jennies in Manchester, they did not produce cutlery in Sheffield, but theirs are the names which have made nationhood possible in England, which have supplied work and enterprise with its motive and sustaining force. England is commercially great because Adam Smith gave her the secret of free-trade. England is politically great because her national ideals have been bold and high, not because of her parish work and municipalities. He was no fool or Utopian who wished to be the maker of songs for his country rather than its law giver. Wolfe had Gray’s “Elegy” recited to him on his death bed, and said he would rather be the author of these lines than the captor of Quebec. These are the utterances of great workers and heroes, they have given the greatest credit to the givers of ideas and ideals, because they have felt in their own life where the inspiration for work comes from. Work without ideals is a false gospel.

      Sri Aurobindo, Bande Mataram – II: Work and Ideal

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  7. Sandeep Post author

    Disciple: You once said that in order to command money by Yogic force two conditions are required: first, non-attachment, second — bojhāpadā [mutual understanding] with the money forces. What is meant by bojhāpadā?

    Sri Aurobindo: Non-attachment is necessary for two reasons; first, by attachment you fall into a state where the hostile forces have power and when they know that you are going to exceed them they will check you; secondly, by attachment you may surrender yourselves to the evil forces which command money. The world is now under the domination of these forces — they have money in their control and they give money only to those who accept their conditions.

    Then you must be able to make the right use of money, otherwise you forfeit your claim to get money. Chaotic use of money is very bad. Your expenditure must be orderly — you must have reason for spending every pice.

    Then you have to deal with the forces which act in relation with money. There are two methods. Some persons rely wholly on God to meet their needs. But in our Yoga we do not leave the matter to God. We have to deal with the forces of nature, even with the most material things. We must not submit to the hostile forces which prevent us from getting money. There are the Luxmi [sic] force and the Mammon force. We resolutely fight the Mammon force until we establish harmony with the Luxmi force. We should want money only for the work we have to do — to meet the divine needs.

    Disciple: Before we have the higher power, should we deal with the hostile forces by the strength of our will?

    Sri Aurobindo: Yes, the right sort of will, free from desire or attachment.

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    The money force has a twofold movement — of gathering and throwing away; those who can keep this rhythm have plenty of money, e.g., the big industrial magnates. Mere hoarding is an obstacle.

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    It [money] is a vital force which enables men to command success. Some persons possess this in a marked degree.

    http://overmanfoundation.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/conversations-with-sri-aurobindo-recorded-by-anilbaran-roy-part-4/

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  8. mike

    ” There are also women who are lakshmi-chara – those that take away what you may have.”

    Yes, l believe their called ‘Gold-Diggers’ in the west LOL..

    Speaking about china and it’s phenomenal economic rise, l watched a very interesting documentry recently. lt seems that the chinese bubble is ready to burst, because of massive debt through borrowing. The state banks stopped lending to businesses so they went to the black market underground banks which will obviously have huge interest rates.
    But, in the video it points out that although their building all those new properties [high rise luxury appartments etc], most chinese can’t afford them – apparently the rich are building them as a pension investment, so they remain empty. The worst problem is that ordinary ppl are saving all their money instead of spending, and so are not pouring it back into the economy, or as Mother said above – The wealth is not ‘Circulating’ to keep the economy afloat. Unlike some countries [UK for example] they have no benefit or pension system, so ppl have to save towards a pension all there lives. The wages are still ridiculouly low for the average worker – as mentioned in the video and lt’s only the handfull of super-rich [as in most countries] who are making a profit.

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  9. donsalmon

    Hi, I don’t know if anyone is still here, but if so, I have a question. The quotation of the Mother above states it is important for production to go on increasing. I wonder how this squares with the observation of many today that for the sake of the environment, we need to institute a no-growth or “degrowth” economy.

    My own sense of the reconciliation is that the Mother is not talking about ever increasing “GDP” but simply improvement in material conditions for all. This actually, if I understand it correctly, could be reconciled quite easily with a degrowth economy, if we completely transform our idea of what economic growth means.

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      Don: Hi, I don’t know if anyone is still here, but if so, I have a question.

      We are always here. Not posting new blogs, but always waiting for questions🙂

      Perhaps the original passage is in French and the word “production” may not be the exact English equivalent.

      The Mother answers your question in the next paragraph: “money should generate an increase in production, an improvement in the conditions of life and a progress in human consciousness. This is its true use. What I call an improvement in consciousness, a progress in consciousness, is everything that education in all its forms can provide – not as it’s generally understood, but as we understand it here: education in art, education in … from the education of the body, from the most material progress, to the spiritual education and progress through yoga; the whole spectrum, everything that leads humanity towards its future realization.”

      The Mother, Mother’s Agenda: October 4, 1958

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  10. gopal.M

    don,

    The level of dynamism in expansion requires a unique and a strong way of movement . Recently read sri Aurobindo describing integral yoga as a travel in the ocean which he says is different from the travelling one does from point A to point B in the land. He say this oceanic way of travel lets you touch the whole world unlike the land travel.

    The oceanic travel is a challenge of synthesis and is thoroughly testing. God knows how many sectors in the economy today are short of what they could be because of this point a to point b approach.

    But atleast we could avoid repeating the mistakes that we made like world wars, cold wars, which forced us into a need for heightening and integration of the human energies and knowledge. And bring up the changes much faster and without all these pain.

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    1. mwb6119

      I felt that this suited your topic discussion: “This world is a place of business. What an infinite bustle! I am awaked almost every night by the panting of the locomotive. It interrupts my dreams. There is no sabbath. It would be glorious to see mankind at leisure for once. It is nothing but work, work, work. I cannot easily buy a blank-book to write thoughts in; they are commonly ruled for dollars and cents. An Irishman, seeing me making a minute in the fields, took it for granted that I was calculating my wages. If a man was tossed out of a window when an infant, and so made a cripple for life, or seared out of his wits by the Indians, it is regretted chiefly because he
      was thus incapacitated for business! I think that there is nothing, not even crime, more opposed to poetry, to philosophy, ay, to life itself, than this incessant business.” http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper2/thoreau/life.html

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      1. mwb6119

        in addition: “If a man walk in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer; but if he spends his whole day as a speculator, shearing off those woods and making earth bald before her time, he is esteemed an industrious and enterprising citizen. As if a town had no interest in its forests but to cut them down!” ibid

      2. donsalmon

        mwb6119 – yes thank you for both quotes. Sri Aurobindo, several times in the Human Cycle, remarks that “commercialism” (which seems very much what Throeau is referring to) has been the cause of the decline of European (and ultimately, global – as he referenced the worldwide influence of Europe) civilization.

      3. mw

        Just found this by The Mother – definitely relates to Thoreau’ thought/s previously posted:

        “Intelligence and the Psychic Consciousness”

        The working of the mind in man in its rudimentary form, its first manifestation has spoilt many things which were much finer before

        Naturally, if man rises to a higher level and makes good use of his intelligence, then things can take on a much greater value. But between the two, there is a passage where man makes the most vulgar and low use of his intelligence; he makes it an instrument for calculation, domination, deception, and there it becomes very ugly. I have known in my life animals I considered much higher than many people, for that sordid calculation, that wish to cheat and profit was precisely not there in them. There are others that catch it — through contact with man they catch it — but there are those who don’t have it.

        The unselfish movement, uncalculating, is one of the most beautiful forms of psychic consciousness in the world. But the higher one rises in the scale of mental activity, the rarer it becomes. For with intelligence come all the skill and cleverness, and corruption, calculation. For instance, when a rose blossoms it does so spontaneously, for the joy of being beautiful, smelling sweet, expressing all its joy of living, and it does not calculate, it has nothing to gain out of it: it does so spontaneously, in the joy of being and living. Take a human being, well, apart from a very few exceptions, the moment his mind is active he tries to get some advantage out of his beauty and cleverness; he wants it to bring him something, either men’s admiration or even much more sordid gains yet. Consequently, from the psychic point of view, the rose is better than human beings. 240 26 August 1953

        Only, if you climb a rung higher and consciously do what the rose does unconsciously, then it is much more beautiful. But it must be the same thing: a spontaneous flowering of beauty, uncalculating, simply for the joy of being. Little children have this at times (at times, not always). Unfortunately, under the influence of their parents and the environment, they learn to be calculating when yet very young. But this kind of wish to gain by what one has or does is truly one of the ugliest things in the world.

        And it is one of the most widespread and it has become so widespread, that it is almost spontaneous in man. Nothing can turn its back on the divine love more totally than that, that wish to calculate and profit.

        The Mother, Questions and Answers (1953): 26 August 1953

  11. mike

    Hi Don, when it all comes down to greed, then the state of the ‘economy’ probably doesn’t mean much. lf you believe, as l do that the ‘Global Economy’ is controlled by a few rich bankers, then all economic movement will, mostly, be determined by them and their ilk. Politicians are simply their puppets and the distribution of wealth will be syphoned off according to their agenda – which is normally self-serving. There is a book called ‘Sri Aurobindo and Karl Marx which discusses ‘economic growth’ l believe (but l haven’t read much of it). This article below l found interesting, by karen litfin. She’s based it on a comparison of:
    ” I draw upon the works of G.W.F. Hegel, Sri Aurobindo, Jean Gebser and Ken Wilber to trace the outlines of an alternative metaphysic to secularism. The integral worldview, which understands history as Spirit in the process of becoming, offers such an alternative, one that moves beyond but also includes the secular story within its scope”.

    hxxp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:10H-8YCTZn4J:faculty.washington.edu/litfin/research/Integral_politics.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=opera

    “The sustainability of secularism as a globally viable cultural story is called into question by a planet of six billion people deploying reason in the service of desire. Increasingly, the dark side of secularism is inescapable: in the ever-deepening contrast between conspicuous consumption in the North and gruelling poverty in the South; in the myriad forms of pollution that threaten air, land and sea; in the mass extinction of species; and in the feverish pursuit of security that seems to generate only greater insecurity. Whereas from a conventional international relations perspective these general problems are taken asdistinct fields of study, they may also be understood more systemically as interrelated symptoms of ‘the global problematique’

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  12. mike

    Sorry, the addres above was wrong. l think this one is right:

    hxxp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:10H-8YCTZn4J:faculty.washington.edu/litfin/research/Integral_politics

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  13. mike

    Also, this was an interesting statement by Dr. Kireet Joshi, Chairman of the Governing Board and International Advisory Council:

    Full lnterview:
    hxxp://archive.auroville.org/journals&media/avtoday/archive/2000-2003/aug_2002/kireet.htm

    “You mentioned that Mother told you to go out and make people aware of Sri Aurobindo’s solutions to the predicaments of India. What are those solutions?
    When Mother told me this in 1971 I began to study Sri Aurobindo from a new angle. The inner solution to the panorama of problems facing India lies, to my mind, in three sentences which he wrote indicating what India has to do if she is to be able to help herself and be of service to the world. The first task is the recovery, in amplitude and fullness, of the ancient spiritual knowledge which India has accumulated. The second task is to allow this ancient fund of spiritual knowledge to percolate and irrigate various streams of inquiry in the humanities, philosophy, science, technology, art and crafts, so as to give a new vibration and fresh impetus to these disciplines, while developing the critical knowledge to deal with contemporary problems with originality. Thirdly, a synthesis of all fields of inquiry should be developed and, particularly, a synthetic base for a spiritualised society.

    How do you communicate this to people with no background in Sri Aurobindo?
    For those who have no background at all I often analyse certain problems for their consideration. For example, one of the most important problems facing India is that of poverty. I’ve made some study of the many suggestions proposed to solve this and my conclusion is that these studies leave out a very important element. There is no perception that unless there is a tremendous drive in the world towards world unity you cannot resolve economic problems; that it is only when the world becomes one that the real economic problems of India and the world can be resolved. I don’t deny the value of programmes of development, of progress in science, technology and education which benefit the poor, but these will be accelerated and, ultimately, only bear fruit in the context of the driving forces which are trying to bring about the unity of mankind. Now this dimension is clearly available in Sri Aurobindo. The reason he did not write any book on the economic development of India is that he saw that economic problems rest upon the more fundamental problem of human unity.”.

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  15. mw

    I found this interesting:

    “this letter was written to someone who wanted to go out from here to collect money for Sri Aurobindo’s work, and he had no means at all. So he began by saying to Sri Aurobindo, “But as I myself have no means, people will have no trust in me, and I won’t be able to get anything.” And Sri Aurobindo answered him something like this, that it is not the external force in its most material form which is necessary, it is the handling of the inner force which gives one control over money wherever it is: whether it is in public institutions or with individuals, one obtains control over it and one can, when it is necessary, attract by a certain movement what is needed.”

    The Mother, Questions and Answers (1954): 28 July 1954

    *This must be an advanced inner-development the Mother is describing?

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      Maybe it is the power of Goddess Lakshmi. The Mother was able to attract donations of money as well as property to allow the Ashram to survive during its early years. Sorry, can’t find the exact quotes by the Mother because they may not be in the commonly available books but reminiscences published by various disciples.

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      1. mw

        Thanks Sandeep. I had not heard of the Goddess Lakshmi before. Also interesting about the early years of the Ashram. …When I find excerpts like this (esp in the CWM’s) there is no reference other than the given example, and it is usually a quick reference given ( by Mother) and then there is no other additional information offered to support it. Thanks Again!

  16. amsha

    I experienced once an energy that was like vast rosy fog covering big area, my work then was connected with money, and knew that people around there served this energy, also saw it few times in auras of different people, what do you think is it related to Lakshmi or not?

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  17. mike

    Amsha, l’d say the rose color would indicate a Psychic lnfluence. l don’t know where you work or the kind of people there, but, the rose cloud would probably be a collective psychic formation (as in thought-form). Perhaps this color in an lndividual’s aura might suggest those who mostly have the psychic attitude, or are more open to it’s influence..As in the quote below:

    “Wealth under the psychic influence: wealth ready to return to its
    true possessor, the Divine”

    Also, something She said about interest on money and stocks and shares:

    “I am not for getting interest on money.
    *
    I dabbled in stocks and shares a little, but came a cropper.
    The speculation I carried on for a while has burnt quite
    a hole in my pocket. I really wish I hadn’t. Are you dead
    against speculation?

    You ought to know that I do not approve at all of speculation
    —but what is done is done.”

    “This must be an advanced inner-development the Mother is describing?”

    SA and M are always manipulating people and forces through the power of Divine Consciousness. Yes mark, l believe it has to be an ‘advanced inner-development’. Just look at how SA influenced Churchill during WWII. Although, He did say you had to BE the government to control it – not just influence a few individuals..

    Also,

    “Everything is contagious. Every good thing and every bad thing
    has its vibrations. If you catch those vibrations, you get that
    thing. The true Yogi knows these vibrations and can handle
    them; that is how he can give you peace, etc. Even so-called
    accidents are contagious. You catch others’ sorrow and then
    feel sorrowful in the same way.”

    As for the Mother’s experiences with money, there seemed to be many difficulties in the beginning, especially from a large number of gujarati disciples who were actually stealing from Her, according to satprem’s tantric guru at the time. This guru was helping to solve this problem:

    “X began his story thus: ‘This girl in Mother’s entourage132 was, while she was alive, attacked
    by an extremely powerful mantric magician.
    But the Protection was there, and finally the attack fell back on the mantric, who died from it. He died in a great rage and with a great will for revenge and began circling around the Ashram in
    the Preta Loka (I believe this corresponds to the vital world) seeking an opportunity to do harm, but
    there was such a purity, such a divine force that he could do nothing. When this girl died, he
    attacked her, and the two merged – he absorbed her. Then they continued wandering about the Ashram in search of a physical instrument to gain entry into the Ashram. They found an entryway through the intermediary of certain black-minded people. While doing my Puja, I came to know seven of them. All seven came, drawn by my Yantra. Some of them are people who have taken Mother’s money and have been collecting money from their duty. I learned this yesterday, and I began a special Puja to turn their mind, put them again on the right path.’ (At this point, he said something that meant this would be easy.)
    Thereupon, X told me, ‘That is all. I will tell you more on Friday, after the Puja. The work will
    be over.’
    Here, the conversation on this subject came to an end. On the way back to his house, I said to him, ‘It would be very useful for Mother to know the names of these people; it would help her own work.’ And I suggested to him that he write down the names of the seven people and put them in a sealed envelope.
    Thereupon, X began saying ‘no’ rather categorically. But I insisted, mentioning the help it could bring to your work and saying that apart from you, of course, no one would know since the names would be placed in an envelope. Then he said to me, ‘All right, I shall try tomorrow and ask from the supreme Divinity the name of three of them, the chief ones.’
    We did not speak of the living magician who has been paid by a member of the Ashram (undoubtedly one of these 7) to get rid of you. If you like, I will ask him this question another time.
    Here is what X told me:
    ‘The message came this morning during the Puja; my guru spoke in the form of Sanskrit slokas and this is not easy to express in English. Normally, I might have waited rather long for the answer, but because of the greatness of the Mother, it came immediately. The message implicated not 7 people, but 25 to 50, all or almost all Gujaratis.’ (Here, X said something I am not sure I grasped, but it was to the effect that either his guru did not seem to find it easy or did not feel like giving so many names, but were Mother to insist, it might be possible. I am not sure if I really understood this.) Then the message spoke of a rivalry between the Gujaratis and the Bengalis (to occupy the
    key positions in the Ashram); I put this in parentheses for it is more an interpretation on my part, what I ‘felt.’ Moreover, X did not exactly use the word ‘rivalry’ – which he probably doesn’t know – but rather ‘confusion between Gujarati and Bengali.’ However, the message explicitly implicated
    the Gujaratis of the ‘Head-departments.’ I then asked X if he meant the heads of departments or the main departments. He answered, ‘All Gujaratis,’ whereupon he caught himself and said, ‘75% of them.’ At this point X told me, ‘In the Ashram there are few, FEW people on a very high level, and plenty …’ without completing his sentence. The message continued, stating explicitly that these Gujaratis are busy making money from Mother (‘making collection of money’), while outwardly pretending to be serving the Ashram. Here, I thought I understood that there was a Bengali group which was seeking to overthrow the Gujaratis so that they could manage the business affairs as they
    please. Such was the substance of the message. I asked X if he could not write down the very concise Sanskrit slokas he had heard. He said yes, then he said that he would see about this after going to his house???

    Of course, Ganesh appeared to M at one stage and Her finances increased, until it became global (apparently ganesh’s influence is mostly confined to lndia). SA then told Her He would deal with it. l suppose the Supramental Power manages all that now.
    She also spoke about that huge serpent guarding the money-power (treasure) of the earth, and that only someone who has complete mastery over humanity’s sex-impulse, will be allowed to enter..

    lt’s strange about Lakshmi in my own situation, because recently l noticed, in my local mall, that they have a ‘Star of Lakshmi’ right in the centre (not just one), which also has a golden square in the middle of it – as most here know, that would represent the Supramental..l’d never heard of the Star of Lakshmi before this..
    l only live in a small town in the UK, so whoever designed it was either very knowledgable or Divinely inspired. lt’s so strange for this place, because in every other respect it’s one of the most mundane places on earth.

    “The Star of Lakshmi is a special octagram, a regular compound polygon, represented by Schläfli symbol {8/2} or 2{4}, made from two squares with the same center at 45° angles, and figures in Hinduism, where it represents Ashtalakshmi, the eight forms, or “kinds of wealth”, of the goddess Lakshmi.”

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    1. mw

      Thank you very much Mike. I’m afraid a lot of this information is over my head, but I did gain a few pieces of insight here and there. I don’t have a lot of background and or historic information regarding SA & M. My attention is mainly upon the psychological aspects at this point. If the occult vision ever does open up for me, then it will come as a surprise since I am not presently attempting to bring it about by my own efforts — I do understand that it is possible for the occult vision to come via the process of the Yoga, and also, it is possible to grow and develop in the Yoga without the said occult vision.

      That was quite fascinating about the Star of Lakshmi in your local mall. And yes, our city is equally mundane if not more so than yours there in England — I’ve never seen such an emblem in our mall/s – I think it is actually illegal to publicly post anything like that here – at least in public and state buildings, public schools, etcetera.

      Thanks again Mike.

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    2. amsha

      I think that it was some sort of a vital being or projection of some godhead and people going after wealth, money and gain, it wasn’t really psychic aspiration in the sense of Integral Yoga. Thanks for reply.

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  18. Gaurav

    1. How should a person utilise his savings, I mean from the spiritual point of view…should we take life insurance policies, medical policies and invest in mutual funds etc….
    because somewhere i had read that investing in stock market is not correct because there everyone wants to make profit but on the other side someone must be at loss for you to make profit so in a sense it is not productive and it also increases greed towards money.

    2. If you can cite 2-3 examples of good utilisation of money in business which actually help the consciousness of the people to grow and make the life more richer. Like mother has said education in all its forms where money can be utilised for the growth of the consciousness.

    3. Just a thought on mediclaim policy, Share if you have any thoughts on below…
    In India a person can at least think once if he has good financial capacity to not to take any medical policy but in USA(I am not sure about other countries) I have seen that health and medical treatment is very expensive, there everyone must take medical policy. It seems to me a bad cycle because Clinics and doctors are charging more because they know that it is not the person who is going to pay this but the insurance company….insurance companies are increasing the premium because they know that doctors and hospitals are charging exorbitantly.

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