The rhythms of our consciousness

There are many planes and parts of our being each with their own unique rhythm. Idling in bed early in the morning, we may find that the longing for sex can seize the lethargic mind.  After lunch when the stomach is full, one might feel the irrational urge to lash out in anger at some irritating individual.  On Sunday evenings while listening to a wistful melody, one might become forlorn and slip into a state of depression.  Psychologist Kay Jamison, after reviewing more than sixty studies across countries in both hemispheres, concluded that the peak periods for suicide are late spring and summer[1].  Likewise, she found two broad peaks in seasonal incidence of major depressive episodes: March-May and Sept-Nov [2].

As one progresses in the practice of Yoga, one becomes singularly aware of these emotional vulnerabilities which get triggered at specific intervals, at certain locations or in the presence of troublesome individuals, as the following exchange illustrates:

Nagin: Every first of the month at a particular hour my general consciousness is pulled down from the heights. What is the cause of such a regular habit?

Sri Aurobindo: There are always these formed habits of the subconscient — originally there may have been some vital or other reason, afterwards it is only the habit of lending part of the consciousness to the old movement [3]

There are other disciples who wrote to Sri Aurobindo regarding the desire for sex which would stealthily overwhelm them early in the morning while they lay passive in bed.  While we don’t have the original questions, we do have the responses that Sri Aurobindo sent them:

It is the most dangerous movement for sex-things when just after waking one remains lying in bed; one should either go to sleep again, if there is time, or else fix the mind on wholesome things [4].

That is a right change. There is no condition more dangerous for the sex-imagination to come than this lying in bed in a half-awake or else a relaxed inert condition unoccupied by any activity or any experience [4].

By giving up contact it [sex] can be reduced to two forms — dream and imagination. Dream is not of much importance unless it affects the waking mind which it need not at all do; it can besides be discouraged and, if not fed, fades out in the end. Imaginations can only be got rid of by a tapasya(askesis) of the will not allowing them to run their course, but breaking them off as soon as they begin. They come most easily when lying in bed after waking from sleep in a tamasic condition. One has to break them off either by shaking off the tamas or  by emptying the mind and going to sleep again. At other times one ought to be able to stop it by turning the mind elsewhere [4].

The Mother once spoke at length on these rhythms of our consciousness:

Question: Sweet Mother, here: “Last comes the instrumentality of Time, Kala; for in all things there is a cycle of their action and a period of the divine movement…. “ What is this period of the divine movement?  (For those who want to follow-up, the text cited here occurs in the chapter called “The Four Aids” in Sri Aurobindo’s “The Synthesis of Yoga”)

Mother: For each activity, each realisation, each movement, there is a definite period of time, which differs. There are countless periods of time which are entangled; but each thing is regulated by a kind of rhythm which is this thing’s own rhythm.

You see, for the facility of their outer existence, men have divided time more or less arbitrarily into years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds, etc.; it is a rhythm that’s more or less arbitrary, because it has been created by man, but it has in itself a certain reality, for it corresponds to universal movements… as far as possible. And that is why, by the way, we celebrate the birthday, for example: because there is a certain rhythm in each one’s existence which is established by this regular return of circumstances analogous to those in which he was born.

And all movements—when you observe them, you become aware that they have a certain rhythm—the movements of inner consciousness, for example, not only from the point of view of understanding but that of personal reactions, of the ups and downs in progress; of a fairly regular periodic return, at once of advancing and recoiling, of difficulties and of helps. But if each person is attentive he realises that his own rhythm is absolutely particular to him; it is not the same rhythm as his neighbour’s.

But even as the seasons follow a certain rhythm, regular enough on the whole, so the individual life has its seasons. And when one studies oneself attentively, one finds out that there are even certain repetitions of analogous circumstances at regular intervals. Even, very sensitive people become aware that there are certain days of the week or certain hours of the day when they can do things more easily. Some of them have particular difficulties on particular days and at particular hours; some on the contrary have better inspirations at particular moments—but every one has to find this out in himself by observation. Naturally it is far from being absolute, it is not strict, and if it is troublesome, it can be eliminated very easily simply by a little effort of resolute will. But if it helps, one can make use of it.

And all this, each thing having its own rhythm, well, it makes an extremely complicated criss-crossing of rhythms, which results in what we see: something which seems to have none – because it is too complicated, it is too complex.

Question: How can we make use of it, Sweet Mother?

Mother: Well, if… let us say, you know… we are speaking of yoga… if you observe in yourself a certain repetition of conditions, for example, that at a particular hour, a certain time of day, in certain circumstances, it is easier for you to concentrate or meditate, well, you make use of that by doing it at that time.

Naturally, you must not become its slave; one can use it but it must not become a necessity so that if the hour has gone by one can’t meditate then. But if it is a good help, one uses the help; it’s all a matter of observation.

 If you study yourself you can become aware that in the year certain periods come due not only to personal conditions but more general ones – conditions of Nature in general. There are times when you meet more difficulties in the sadhana(askesis); there are times, on the contrary, when you feel in yourself a greater push for the growth of knowledge and consciousness. This helps you in the sense that, if at a given time you find yourself in the midst of special difficulties or something that seems like a stoppage, instead of lamenting you tell yourself, “Why, it’s the usual time; it’s because we are at this particular time of the year.” And you wait with patience for the time to pass; or do what you can, but without being discouraged and saying, “Ah, look, I am not getting on, I am not making any progress.” It helps you to be reasonable.

And naturally one can take one more step and take precautions in such a way… inner precautions to be independent of these external influences. But this comes much later, when one begins to be the conscious master of one’s sadhana. That comes afterwards. [5].

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The Mystic Significance of Birthdays (Bonne Fête)

In case you are distressed by the information given above, the news is not all bad.  On the positive side, the Mother indicated that birthdays hold a mystic significance because that is the one day out of the year when one is more receptive to the Divine:

Mother: Yes, it is truly a special day in one’s life. It is one of those days in the year when the Supreme descends into us — or when we are face to face with the Eternal – one of those days when our soul comes in contact with the Eternal and, if we remain a little conscious, we can feel His Presence within us. If we make a little effort on this day, we accomplish the work of many lives as in a lightning flash. That is why I give so much importance to the birthday – because what one gains in one day is truly something incomparable. And it is for this that I also work to open the consciousness a little towards what is above so that one may come before the Eternal. My child, it is a very special day, for it is the day of decision, the day one can unite with the Supreme Consciousness. For the Lord lifts us on this day to the highest region possible so that our soul which is a portion of that Eternal Flame, may be united and identified with its origin.

This day is truly an opportunity in life. One is so open and so receptive that one can assimilate all that is given. I can do many things, that is why it is important.

It is one of those days when the Lord Himself opens the doors wide for us. It is as though He were inviting us to rekindle more powerfully the flame of aspiration. It is  one of those days which He gives us. We too by our Personal effort, could attain to this, but it would be long, hard and not so easy. And this is a real chance in life — the day of the Grace.

It is an occult phenomenon that occurs invariably, without our knowledge, on this particular day of the year. The soul leaves behind the body and journeys up and up till it merges into the Source in order to replenish itself and absorb from the Supreme its Power, Light and Ananda and comes down charged. for a whole year to pass. Then again and again… it continues like this year after year.”

How is one to receive this and advance further?

How is it effective on the outer physical and material plane? One way would be to open oneself to this higher consciousness and remain so throughout in deep meditation. One should strive to spread the Light and Ananda deep within and allow it to settle there. Imagination, if any, must be completely set aside for the mind to be free from delusions. The mind must be clear without movement, no longer breeding conflict through its wants and cravings; and when it is silent with understanding, in the light of that silence and peace, the Ananda can come into being. Then, gradually, the inner voice guides more and more and the outer mind forms the movements and actions less and less. The reactions become purified and truthful leading to positive thinking, an attitude for constructive hard work, honesty of thought and action which can reform and re-energise the actions.

A prayer said in right earnest and with an enlightened consciousness can then connect an individual to an infinitely greater Force, widen his consciousness and open him to such an extent that even one spark of this Force can spur him to stupendous actions.

Even when one prays sincerely for someone else, it constitutes a two-way flow of vibrations between individuals and also with the universal Force. The vibrations so generated can, through the ripple effect, cause harmonious vibrations of the universal Force (which is full of ail types of vibrations) and set in motion one’s love, compassion and similar feelings towards another individual who can actually feel and experience these waves.

Similarly, one can take advantage of the special receptivity in a very creative and  constructive way. Most people have within some obscure corner of their nature a wish to live a life of fulfilment, pursue something higher although they might not know exactly the what and how of it. Even in the abstract word thoughts can exist. By remaining receptive, open and adopting and accepting them at the right time, one can crystallise one’s own definite thoughts and actions. One can become a channel of the higher Force and Ananda and a willing instrument of their manifestation [6].

References

  1. Kay Redfield Jamison.  Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide, New York: Random House, 2000, p 222.
  2. Kay Redfield Jamison.  Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1996, p 133.
  3. Nagin Doshi.  Guidance from Sri Aurobindo, Pondicherry: SABDA, 1987, vol 2, p 116.
  4. Sri Aurobindo.  Letters on Yoga, SABCL vol. 24, Transformation of the Physical.
  5. The Mother. Collected Works vol. 7, pp 336-337, 19 October 1955.
  6. Roshan Apurva.  Aspiring Swan, pp viii – xii.

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75 thoughts on “The rhythms of our consciousness

  1. a_dt

    I am not always clear with the formatting. What is direct quote and what is not. The last paragraph, [6], “Roshan Apurva. Aspiring Swan, pp viii – xii.” == was this direct quote or paraphrasing?

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      This is a direct remark by the Mother but it has not appeared in the “Collected Works of the Mother”. Many of the direct disciples tend to publish books containing their correspondence with the Mother, hence the discrepancy.

      You can read the Roshan Apurva’s book online.

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      1. mwb6119

        Sandeep: This is an excerpt from the last paragraph of this blog:

        “Most people have within some obscure corner of their nature a wish to live a life of fulfillment, pursue something higher although they might not know exactly the what and how of it. Even in the abstract word thoughts can exist. By remaining receptive, open and adopting and accepting them at the right time, one can crystallise one’s own definite thoughts and actions. One can become a channel of the higher Force and Ananda and a willing instrument of their manifestation [6].”

        Here is an excerpt from The Art Spirit by Robert Henri, 1923:

        “Sentiment, money, violence were not the agents in the creation of that master work of art, the flying machine. The Wright brothers had a wonderful will to comprehend natural law. Billions of dollars could not buy, blind faith could not persuade, violence could not compel the flying machine. It came with the expenditure of comparatively little money, no sentimentality, and came easily, because they went to the right source.” p 225.

        Also:

        “Of course, it is not easy to go one’s road. Because of our education we continually get off track, but the fight is a good one and there is joy in it if there is any success at all. After all, the goal is not making art. It is living life. Those who live their lives will leave the stuff that is really art. Art is a result. It is the trace of those who have led theirs lives. It is interesting to us because we read the struggle and the degree of success the man made in his struggle to live. The great question is “What is worthwhile.” The majority of people have failed to try seriously enough to answer this question.” p 197

        With these quotes in mind, I’d like to know if there is more information, more or less a “how to” approach, specifically, How to “…crystalise one’s own definite thoughts and actions” from the Mother or SA’s writings?

        I have read your blog titled “The Exchange of Vital forces…”. Until now I had been under the impression that when I was under the influence of “Vital forces” (the concept which I did not understand until now) that this was an indication that I was flawed and was not growing or developing spiritually. I understand now that this is not true. Also, I have a tendancy to be reclusive. I had always understood this tendancy negatively, as though it were something I had to grow out of or finding the proper psychological diagnosis and remedy, i.e., treat it as an illness. Here is what SA says:

        “Sri Aurobindo:
        One has to go inside into the inner being and one can minimise contacts, if necessary, not as an absolute rule – provided there is a real living in the inner being and sufficient contact with outside things not to lose one’s hold of practical realities. But if there is an isolation which brings depression, inertia, unhappiness, gloom or else morbidity of any kind, then it is evident that the retirement is not wholesome.” from The Exchange of Vital Forces….

        I am only now convinced that I have a natural and healthy reclusive tendancy. And now I can respect that part of myself rather than constantly battling it.

        Most my life I had believed I was in error and was attempting to correct it. And now, I am seeing that all along it is quite natural for me. So, now, from this vantage point I hope to connect to what I had initially indicated above: “…crystalise one’s own definite thoughts and actions.” It’s possible that I am very close to this.

        Thank You for your time.

      2. Sandeep Post author

        Mark: With these quotes in mind, I’d like to know if there is more information, more or less a “how to” approach, specifically, How to “…crystalise one’s own definite thoughts and actions” from the Mother or SA’s writings?

        I can’t recall offhand but give me some time to find it. Other blog commenters like Mike might know ?

        Mark: Until now I had been under the impression that when I was under the influence of “Vital forces” (the concept which I did not understand until now) that this was an indication that I was flawed and was not growing or developing spiritually. I understand now that this is not true

        Depends on what you mean by “vital forces”. The higher vital is the region into which one must tune to develop creativity. The lower vital and the vital beings who control them are to be avoided. Then there are the vital forces people exchange among themselves which should also be avoided.

        Most people live in the vital being. Their mind is affected by the weather, the food, the people around them. If they mix too much with others, they pick up their bad habits. If they do not mix, they feel parched or misanthropic.

        The vital has to be brought under the control of the psychic being. Then one has infinite energy and can socialize with people needed without falling under their bad influence or feeling dry or misanthropic.

        Mark: I am only now convinced that I have a natural and healthy reclusive tendancy

        I have also been reclusive from birth. I justify it primarily as a conservation of energy. I have seen people do lot of foolish acts when they become excessively social.

      3. mwb6119

        Thank You for responding Sandeep.

        “The vital has to be brought under the control of the psychic being.”

        Yes. I have read a lot about the Psychic Being, and the importance of it being brought to the surface, i.e., the Psychic Transformation. The Mother had stated that if a person is not sure that the Psychic Being is not in charge, then it is most likely not in charge. Sometimes the Mother is a little vague in her discourses. And I have read from SA that it is not easy to identify the Psychic at first. Anyway, I have yet to read your blogs on the Psychic, so I will postpone my questions about that until then. All that aside, I believe that I am definitely having Psychic influences and I am trying to stabilize them.

        “I have also been reclusive from birth. I justify it primarily as a conservation of energy.”

        Thanks you for sharing this. Yes, it is a lot about the conservation of energy. Here in the USA people (like me) are considered ill – they will even prescribe medications for this behavior. The USA has a very extroverted society. My father was very reclusive, so I inherited it from him. 🙂

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  3. mike

    MWB, l think the post by sandeep titled ‘Comparing Roger Penrose and Sri Aurobindo on the Mind’, goes into this ‘crystallising’ thing more clearly. The Mother describes it better there:
    https://auromere.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/comparing-roger-penrose-and-sri-aurobindo-on-the-mind/

    “The Mother had stated that if a person is not sure that the Psychic Being is not in charge, then it is most likely not in charge.”

    Yes, l believe that what the Mother might be referring to is a much later stage, where the Psychic Union has probably taken place, very nearly – because lt would be such a powerful contact at that stage, that there would be no doubt left as to what’s in charge…. This is something we would be very sure about IMO..
    SA was talking about the initial contacts with the Psychic Being, as you say, so the two most likely very different stages….

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    1. mwb6119

      Thank You Very Much Mike! That helps a lot. Look forward to reading about Robert Penrose.

      Also, it helps to know there are other recluses out there. 🙂

      Most my life I have experienced severe emotional block. Symptoms appear as ADHD – in my case without the Hyperactivity (ADD). But over the many years of spiritual practice and before I began Integral Yoga, I began to see improvements – and when kundalini was activated, that exacerbated those symptoms for a while and that was very intense for many years (10+). I have an artistic temperament. More in the body than in the mind. So, I understand the continuity of ‘forms’ better than, say, philosophical discourses.

      With the Yoga, it appears that my old outer coating is falling apart and this other being (inner-being?) is coming more to the front of my experience and taking over – reversal of consciousness. So, things are changing and I sit and wait and test these new statuses to see if they are firm, permanent or still just flashes and still sliding.

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  4. mike

    Forgot to mention that l have also been very much a ‘Loner’ for a long time. l’ve never liked ‘socialising’ or ‘enjoying company’ or ‘parteying’ as it’s called. My father was a lot like that too, but my parents were better at it than me lol, though they’re not on a Spiritual Path [which makes it uncomfortable mingling with those who are not] – possibly is genetic as you say. Of course, ultimately or universally, every one is on a Spiritual course, through the evolution of the Psychic….

    And, also, as you say, the extrovert WEST in particular, is prone to reject anyone who chooses to live outside mainstream society.. they see it as ant-social, and usually assume you have a mentall illness [depression or their favorite celebrity label – Bipolarity]. Although, today, many more are staying indoors with their computers or tv for company – so, reclusiveness might become the norm soon lol.

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      1. Mike

        Yes,exactly lol. Kid’s are more cerebral now. Although, sport is still a major obsession around. Still, the majority are indoors in this climate playing on their Xbox etc..

        L posted this somewhere else on the blog but it disappeared somehow lol. Not sure if this image will come out..I used

  5. mike

    “With the Yoga, it appears that my old outer coating is falling apart and this other being (inner-being?) is coming more to the front of my experience and taking over – reversal of consciousness. So, things are changing and I sit and wait and test these new statuses to see if they are firm, permanent or still just flashes and still sliding.”

    Yes, that’s my experience too. Things like the Descent of Force or Peace or the Psychic influence [which is a concrete experience] are sporadic for a long time until they become firmly established in the outer physical consciousness or being….

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    1. mwb6119

      Thank You Mike:

      “Yes, that’s my experience too. Things like the Descent of Force or Peace or the Psychic influence [which is a concrete experience] are sporadic for a long time until they become firmly established in the outer physical consciousness or being….”

      I feel sometimes that I am becoming unstable, I mean ‘crazy’ or ‘insane’ – but not to be confused with clinical psychosis or schizophrenia. I feel that I am seeing a different world than the one I used to interact with and it is difficult to have ‘normal’ or ‘casual’ conversations with people who are not undergoing the Yogic process because they cannot see what I am seeing now (I have no intention of attempting to describe this to anyone not already initiated in the Yoga). I have heard before that people do feel this way who are involved in Yoga. And I have read The Mother stating that it is apart of growing that you will begin to see things differently. And this ‘new sight’ is becoming a very stable state of consciousness. In the past it came in flashes, but now it is quite stable. The only difficulty is that it makes me feel even more isolated from the world – how can I interact with the world that is still in a contracted state? Also, I am not around others who are going through this experience, so I cannot benefit from another persons experience/companionship. I only have the books of SA and The Mother and other disciples, and this wonderful blog-site and this is enough. I wonder when this new insight will become normal? When will I be ready to re-enter the world? It has been many years now that I have had to take time-out to allow for this growth and transitioning, and I wonder when I will know when it is time to return to the world? In the past concerns about the future would make me very anxious, and now, there is no anxiety or sense of panic; inside it is very calm – this has been developing over many years even before coming to Integral Yoga. Since my initiation into Integral Yoga so much has happened. But I am slow to presume that I have reached any significant spiritual status or progress although I have made mistakes about that in the past LOL.

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      1. Sandeep Post author

        Mark:. I wonder when this new insight will become normal? When will I be ready to re-enter the world? It has been many years now that I have had to take time-out to allow for this growth and transitioning, and I wonder when I will know when it is time to return to the world?

        There is no going back, at least not the way it was before 🙂

        Carlos Castaneda is accused of being a fraud by some anthropologists but he has described this isolation very poignantly in the last chapter of the “Journey to Ixtlan”. These are some excerpts…

        If you survive the shock, which I’m sure you will, since you’re strong and have been living like a warrior, you will find yourself alive in an unknown land. Then, as is natural to all ofus, the first thing you will want to do is to start on your way back to Los Angeles. But there is noway to go back to Los Angeles. What you left there is lost forever. By then, of course, you will be a sorcerer, but that’s no help; at a time like that what’s important to all of us is the fact that everything we love or hate or wish for has been left behind. Yet the feelings in a man do not die or change, and the sorcerer starts on his way back home knowing that he will never reach it, knowing that no power on earth, not even his death, will deliver him to the place, the things, the people he loved…What Genaro told you in his story is precisely that. Genaro left his passion in Ixtlan: his home, his people, all the things he cared for. And now he wanders around in his feelings; and sometimes, as he says, he almost reaches Ixtlan. All of us have that in common. For Genaro it is Ixtlan; for you it will be Los Angeles; for me…..“Only as a warrior can one survive the path of knowledge,” he said. “Because the art of a warrior is to balance the terror of being a man with the wonder of being a man.”

      2. mwb6119

        Very Good Sandeep. I do like Casteneda by the way 🙂 I have definitely survived the “shock.” I have taken some comfort in this thought expressed by the Mother:

        “Whilst you receive a good shock, and the post you coveted is denied…the plan you made shattered…find yourself completely thwarted, then sometimes this opposition opens a door on something deeper and truer. …it was Nature or the Divine grace or my psychic being that did it…which organised that.”

        It has been a long transition. It began in 2006-07, that is when I was able to first express the sensations of “loosing myself.” It has been impossible to see the whole picture and that is very hard. No way of understanding or grasping what is happening. Just bit’s and pieces, flashes of insight here and there, dreams, teachers appearing out -of-the-blue, the right words from texts, etc…. Thank You!

      3. mwb6119

        Regarding these two questions of which Sandeep responded “There is no going back, at least not the way it was before :-)” – I do understand this!

        “When will I be ready to re-enter the world? It has been many years now that I have had to take time-out to allow for this growth and transitioning, and I wonder when I will know when it is time to return to the world? ”

        I just read this from the Karmayogi website (I started reading some of his work about two months ago – I do not know him very well):

        “Outgoing VS. Ingoing movement:
        For one who seeks the Truth, the only movement permissible is the ingoing movement. The outgoing movement has the only value of disillusioning one of human nature. To that extent it helps complete the stage of negative growth. All Truth is buried in oneself and is accessible only to the ingoing movement. The real value of MAN, buried in his soul, his good nature can be seen or reached only after one reaches and completes his own ingoing movement. The outgoing movement has another valuable purpose of discovering in the world the Truth one has seen in himself. In the measure one seeks to re-discover in the world his own inner Truth or establishing outside the Truth of his own soul, the outgoing movement is called for.”

        I just thought this was interesting. How it reflects the outward movement based upon the inward development. … I do not understand what he means by “complete the stage of negative growth.”

  6. mike

    Yes, even if castaneda was a fake, it’s well said. l enjoyed his earlier books, but l think he might have lost the plot later on – some say he was drugged out of his mind towards the end – but still… interesting material.
    lt’s also very much like the ‘Dark Night of the Soul’ of the christian mystics, l think.
    Unless we have that ‘Change in Consciousness’ – especially the Psychic change that Mother had in paris one day – decribed as like pushing against a Great Bronze door until it opens and your in a blazing white light and find yourself on the inside looking out rather than the other way round [Reversal as you said MWB]. Or we have the Divine Vision that SA had in Alipore jail…. all our sense of being alone would disappear after that, no doubt….
    l liked the youtube vid below of Mother speaking about surrender and the difficulty of the world. It’s good to hear her voice:

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    1. mwb6119

      Thanks Mike – my name is Mark. Well said regarding Casteneda. Agreed, dark night of the soul, also Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey. Lot’s of parallels. SA and The Mother only came to me 4.5 years ago. I was not even considering Yoga or a Yogic teacher. SA appeared in my minds eye for several days and then I finally realized I was being directed to their teachings. Since then I have read and read and read – difficult at first but later the words began to open up. I am not a scholar, nor intellectual – I do admire those with such capacity. I will listen to the video asap. Right now I have to do some cleaning up after last nights windstorm. Thank You!

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    2. mwb6119

      Mike, I just listened to the video. Very good! My surrender is not complete. Still some suffering going on. It’s a difficult process. Also, it was interesting how you mentioned christian mystic’s. In 1988 I was introduced to roman Catholic Mysticism, and that was the beginning of this work. I began with Madame Guyon, Saint John of the Cross and Theresa of Avila. And very gradually, after many years, I arrived here with SA and The Mother 🙂

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  7. max

    am new here, well it’s all interesting, i got some experiences as well, but the struggle to earn a living for you and your family it’s there. just curious to know what you guys do for a livin’, paying your rents.. ETC… you guys seem to have a lot of time.Some times i wonder if Yoga is for 2 kinds here one well to do, the other the Hermit destined type. Or in between…. be lucky to find an Ashram or create an Ashram of your own.I wonder what was it all about Integral yoga.May be…its…… all an “Ashram YOGA”. am not interested in BhaAkti prayer kerma yoga and a good dose of reading to do knowledge yoga, all mixed in the right proportion, but hey guess what,you still die like aurobindo and the mother and the million Gurus who come and die. No Thanks.

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  8. mike

    Yeah, Hi Mark.
    Strangely enough, l’ve been watching two films about st bernadette and Theresa of Avila. l’ve always felt attracted to both these saints who suffered greatly – also st francis. lf you look at st bernadette’s face you can feel the Force there – or at least a Spiritual Energy of some kind. l really like that bernini statue of theresa called ‘Ecstasy of Saint Teresa’.
    l also posted something recently about the Marian apparitions in medjugorge, and what a follower of SA and M believe might possibly be The Mother! l found it interesting with quite a few similarities between the visions over there and the Mother.
    Have you heard of Daskalos in cyprus [now deceased] – He was an incredible christian Gnostic who had many abilities from birth, like Mother. He’s written about in the book ‘The Magus of Strovolos’ – a fascinating read.

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  9. mike

    ” I was not even considering Yoga or a Yogic teacher. SA appeared in my minds eye for several days and then I finally realized I was being directed to their teachings”

    Mark, just wondering if you had heard of SA and M before this experience?

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    1. mwb6119

      Mike:

      “Have you heard of Daskalos in cyprus [now deceased]”

      No, but I will look him up, and the title you mention. Sounds very good. Thanks. I was really into Thomas Merton for a while – collected many of his books. Back then I had even considered becoming a monk. I remember reading a little Jacob Boheme – Julian of Norwhich. Do not know St Bernadette, I will look her up too.

      “… just wondering if you had heard of SA and M before this experience?”

      Five years prior someone gave me the small booklet titled “SA and The Future Evolution of Man” a small compilation that I read a little and shortly thereafter had forgotten all about. Other than that, about the same time, I heard SA’s name mentioned during my Graduate Studies – mainly other students bringing up his name in classes, there were no courses offered in Yoga or SA specifically. Also, my brother has followed Siddha Yoga for over a decade. I never was drawn to it.

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  10. mike

    “all an “Ashram YOGA”. am not interested in BhaAkti prayer kerma yoga and a good dose of reading to do knowledge yoga, all mixed in the right proportion, but hey guess what,you still die like aurobindo and the mother and the million Gurus who come and die. No Thanks.”
    LOL. Max you sound very bitter and cynical – perhaps you’ve had bad experiences with guru’s . Obviously you don’t have a calling for Yoga or your attitude would be very different. Without having some Higher experiences in Yoga you won’t undrstand it’s significane.
    As for having a lot of time on our hands, it doesn’t take long to write a post – we’re not on here 24/7 lol….
    There are thousands who don’t live in an Ashram [including me] and even more who aren’t well off and work in soul-destroying jobs, but still find time for Yoga. Being rich doesn’t mean there is no hardship or suffering – are you saying you can’t find an hour or 30 minutes in the day to meditate.
    Also, Sri Aurobindo’s and The Mother’s Yoga is not principally about Physical lmmortality – it might be a side benefit at some stage, but it’s not at all about that.
    Anyway, good luck in whatever path you follow….

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  11. mike

    “No, but I will look him up, and the title you mention. Sounds very good. Thanks. I was really into Thomas Merton for a while – collected many of his books. Back then I had even considered becoming a monk. I remember reading a little Jacob Boheme – Julian of Norwhich. Do not know St Bernadette, I will look her up too.”

    Mark, sorry l should have said ‘st bernadette of Lourdes’ – the famous healing grotto in france. SA said that there was a strong Psychic Power there, l believe.

    Yes, l’ve read bits and pieces abut thos mystics you mention – Jacob Boehme fascinated me with his gazing into a luminous light on a brass jug. l believe he had 3 illuminations that way. When he was young [as you probably know] a mysterious man appeared in his father’s shop and phrophesied agreat future for him. He certainly influenced a lot of Kabbalists after wards. just saw a picture of him and he’s the spitting image of will shakespeare lol the image might not come out.

    [img]http://www.greatdreams.com/sacred/boehme.jpg[/img]

    l shouls have produced a link to the Daskalos website [researcher’s of Truth]:

    http://www.researchersoftruth.org/

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  12. mike

    l just discovered a more recent book by a close disciple who lived with Daskalos and describes some of the incredible things he did. l read an excerpt and l’ll definitely be getting it.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swimming-With-The-Whale-Researchers-ebook/dp/B008ZVTW50/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1383069080&sr=8-2

    Swimming with the Whale: Teaching and Practices of Daskalos & the Researchers of Truth.

    lt’s incredible how many Masters have used the ‘star of david’ hexagram like SA and Max Theon. Daskalos used it with a cross [not representing the crucifixion, but the four elements] in the middle and made Talismans [filled them with energy] out of it for people to protect themselves…. The Mother mentions Madame Theon doing this.
    He does say [l did know this] that the ‘star of david’ was known well before the jews adopted it [in twelfth century, l believe]. lt’s also the symbol at the heart chakra [not sure how old that is]. He says it was used in ancient egypt by the Heirophants and called the Sba Saas.
    lnteresting stuff.

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    1. mwb6119

      Mike: I’ve never seen the picture of J Boheme before – quite a resemblance. Thanks for the Daskalos materials, not sure that I will take the time for it right now. When I looked up St. Bernadette, it was Bernadette of Lourdes that came up.

      You are quite astute and apparently quite talented. You could easily publish some works.

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  13. mike

    Yes Mark, l believe Daskalos is probably Self-Realised and a Great Master, but its not Sri Aurobindo’s ‘Supramental’, is it?

    “You are quite astute and apparently quite talented. You could easily publish some works.”
    Thanks, mark, when it starts pouring down from above, perhaps.. lol.

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    1. mwb6119

      “You are quite astute and apparently quite talented. You could easily publish some works.”
      Thanks, mark, when it starts pouring down from above, perhaps.. lol.

      This appeared appropriate to your response above:

      I would hear, in my spirit’s wideness solitary
      The Voice that speaks when mortal lips are mute:
      I seek the wonder of things absolute
      Born from the silence of Eternity.
      Sri Aurobindo

      “Yes Mark, l believe Daskalos is probably Self-Realised and a Great Master, but its not Sri Aurobindo’s ‘Supramental’, is it?”

      I have felt that all the teachers I met along the way were perhaps preparing me to meet SA. But I still do look back and get consolation from them time from time. They are like old friends.

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    2. mwb6119

      Mike

      “Thanks, mark, when it starts pouring down from above, perhaps.. lol.”

      Mike, do you wait for the “pouring down” before you get out of bed each morning? Or before each step you take? Before each word you speak or type? Food for thought… 😉

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      1. mike

        Mark, no l don’t wait for it, as such. Usually it just appears out of nowhere – like when l’m walking through town [in very unexpected places], although quite often, as l go to bed, it just enters me and it’s with me when l wake up – as an energy or strength. Occasionally l feel the effects in my sleep, too [but not as often as l’d like lol]. l’m aware of it being just below the surface, as if it’s working there or waiting to burst forth [l could be wrong though] – sometimes Peace, too. So many different experiences associated with the Yoga, really. Sometimes, l feel my consciousness widening spontaneously, but not to a vast degree – and sometimes l feel SA’s Presence around me like l’m ldentified with Him [The Mother seems to be more of a Presence in the heart, though], and it’s full of light and wideness – l think this is described by Mother and Satprem somewhere.
        Satprem bescribes the Descent very nicely in ‘Adventure of Consciousness’

        “We then begin to realize that the “pressure” or false headache was caused simply by our own resistance to the descent of this Force, and that the obvious thing to be done is not to obstruct the passage by blocking the current in the head, but to allow it to flow through all the levels of our being, from head to toe. This current is at first rather spasmodic, irregular; a slight, conscious effort is required of us to reconnect with it when it vanishes; then it becomes continuous, natural and automatic, giving the very pleasant sensation of a fresh energy, like another breathing, fuller than that of our lungs, enveloping us, bathing us, making us lighter, while also filling us with strength. The physical feeling is very similar to that of a brisk walk in the wind. We do not realize its true effect (it settles in very gradually, in small doses) until, for one reason or another – distraction, error, or excess – we cut ourselves off from the current. Then we feel empty, shrunken, as if lacking oxygen, with a very unpleasant impression of a physical shriveling, not unlike an old apple whose sunshine and juice have been squeezed out. At this point, we really wonder how we were ever able to live without that current before. This is a first transmutation of our energies. Instead of drawing from the common source, below and around us, in universal life, we draw from above. And that energy is far clearer, far more sustained, uninterrupted, and especially far more dynamic. In daily life, in the midst of our work and our myriad other occupations, the current of force is at first rather diluted, but the moment we stop and concentrate, there is a massive inrush. Everything comes to a standstill. We are like a jar filled to the brim; the sensation of “current” disappears, as if the whole body from head to foot were charged with a mass of energy at once compact and crystalline (a solid cool block of peace,36 says Sri Aurobindo). And if our inner vision has begun to open, we may notice that everything has become bluish; we are like an aquamarine, and vast, vast, tranquil, without a ripple – such indescribable freshness, truly the feeling of bathing in the Source. Indeed, this “descending force” is the very Force of the Spirit – Shakti. Spiritual Force is not just a word. Ultimately, it will no longer be necessary to close our eyes and withdraw from the surface to feel it; it will be there every second of our life, no matter what we are doing, whether we are eating, reading, or speaking; we will see it take on a greater and greater intensity as our being becomes accustomed to it. It is actually a formidable mass of energy, limited only by the smallness of our receptivity and capacity.”

      2. mwb6119

        Mike: Thank You. Just to affirm…I appreciate this conversation immensely.

        Satprem’s experience above, well, I’m not able to discern that in my own experience yet; it may be happening but I am not able to discern it or describe it as such. For example, about a year ago Sandeep responded to a question I had and now it holds a stronger relevance than back then. 🙂

        Satprem’s was one of the first disciples writings I spent any length of time with when I began with SA. For me, it is less the philosophy, and more intuition, or interior indications that I am able to follow having very limited intellectual capacities: I have to rely more on feeling-sense. And from that it is very difficult (for me) to convey directly what occurs there-within. The best I am able to do is point to the writings of those like SA that reflect those experiences. …The ability of producing material’s like SA or The Mother are well beyond my present capabilities.

        “So many different experiences associated with the Yoga, really. Sometimes, l feel my consciousness widening spontaneously, but not to a vast degree – and sometimes l feel SA’s Presence around me like l’m identified with Him.”

        Yes! 🙂

  14. nizken

    wow It was a pleasure to read your comments Mark and Mike. I had no idea there are people who are living in the USA too who are going through loneliness just the way I am right now ever since I took up studying Sri Aurobindo & The Mother seriously like 3 years ago. I had been sent to the psychiatrist too many times and I have been wondering myself if I had like OCD or some mental disorder (having become such a recluse lately!!)
    May I ask you for your email Mark and Mike, I think it would be nice to learn from you since you seem quite familiar with this path of studying SA & M, It would also do me a lot of good to have friends on the spiritual side.

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    1. mwb6119

      Nizken: Feel free to interact here. This is a good place and a safe-container for the quality of our conversations.

      From my own experiences, it is not unusual to experience symptoms of mental illness during this process. Fortunately I have never had to see a psychiatrist. Most Psychiatrists work from a “clinical model” and will treat symptoms as “illness.” They usually have no insight into spirituality and will debunk any such talk. They follow prescribed methods and forthrightly prescribe medications. My brother was having problems during his kundalini awakening – he is with Siddhi Yoga, not SA. He finally went to a psychiatrist, which ultimately has complicated his process (this is my observation). I never went to a Psychiatrist and my condition (different from his) has improved and I am continuing to advance spiritually. … I don’t want to talk more about this because it is still very sensitive right now.

      ***This is not advice, only my story. Everyone has to figure these things out on their own because each situation is so different. And best to seek out the guidance of higher teachers. I am not such. 🙂

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  15. mike

    “I have been wondering myself if I had like OCD or some mental disorder (having become such a recluse lately!!)”
    nizken, what makes you think you have OCD – it’s not usually related to being a recluse – it is in extreme cases of course because they are terrified of being in contact with other people or touching them..
    Are you saying you were sent to a psychiatrist after taken up the Yoga?
    l can give you some consolation in the fact that l have a touch of OCD too – not the extreme type of course, just one of many problems l have [but nothing compared to what SA and M went through] – sorry to depress everyone LOL.
    Also SA give some help [He also says this is the most difficult Yoga]:

    “There are two ways of doing Yoga, one by knowledge and one’s own efforts, the other by reliance on the Mother.
    In the last way one has to offer one’s mind and heart and all to the Mother for her Force to work on it, call her in all difficulties, have faith and bhakti.
    At first it takes time, often a long time, for the consciousness to be prepared in this way – and during that time many difficulties can come up, but if one perseveres a time comes when all is ready, the Mother’s Force opens the consciousness fully to the Divine, then all that must develop develops within, spiritual experience comes and with it the knowledge and union with the Divine.

    Sri Aurobindo (1872-1950)
    (date unknown – between 1926 and 1938)”
    l’ve always preferred reliance on SA and M….

    l don’t really like giving an e-mail out nizken, but l’ll always reply to you through sandeep’s blog..
    Good Luck….

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  16. mike

    BTW Mark, l totally agree with your opinion of psychiatrists. There are a few who understand or accept Spiritual and Occult Truth’s, like Kundalini or as they now call it in western psychology – ‘spiritual emergency’, but very few l’d say.
    Their more concerned with the latest drug and any perks they might get from Big Pharma. They consult that stupid book they call the DSM which is updated quite frequently, and any little symptom [as you say] is treated as some full-blown mental illness – l think their favorite labels are, Depression, bi-polar and schizophrenia.. and also, never tell them you have visions – you’ll be in that asylum before you can scream ‘get me outta here’..

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  17. nizken

    Thank you so much Mark & Mike for your kind words, I really appreciate them and will keep in touch via this blog. Mike I don’t know much about psychology or mainstream psychiatry at all, I just visited a couple of psychiatrists last year since I was really scared of my reclusiveness and developing loneliness. Since I was obsessed with reading Sri Aurobindo like 14 hrs daily and did nothing else for the past 2 yrs, and maybe my vital has lost all interest in mundane affairs, I was afraid that it maybe symptoms of a developing OCD or Aspergers syndrome!
    But the psychiatrists cleared me off any such ailments thankfully. Unfortunately I’m still obsessed with reading Sri Aurobindo & Mother a lot even though I’m not technically begun practicing Yoga (I’m still in the purely intellectual mind phase)
    I will try and keep in touch with you all on this blog, thank you Sandeep, Mike & Mark.

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    1. mwb6119

      Nizken said: “I was afraid that it maybe symptoms of a developing OCD or Aspergers syndrome!”

      My apologies, perhaps I was too harsh regarding my views about psychiatrists. I know that symptoms like this can cause a lot of fear and anxiety – I have experienced my share of “symptoms” since kundalini began to move, and things are much better now. Also, the isolation and reclusiveness are hard to adjust to. Regarding the latter what has brought me comfort is SA’s Alipore Jail experience and how I was fortunate enough not to experience something like that. 🙂

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      1. nizken

        No please don’t apologize at all…besides I’m from NYC lol, pretty hard to get offended after living there. I haven’t had any experiences nor do I consider myself to be anything but a mere beginner reading SA & M magnificent books yet. But the only problem was that I began living exclusively in my apartment and reading SA & M 12 or 14 hrs daily; not working; not having any friends not social life for the past 3 yrs. This has alarmed a lot of people including my parents and it seems very much like this article on “Obsessive-Compulsive Spirituality” here: https://auromere.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/obsessive-compulsive-spirituality/

        Mike, I don’t know how just mental reading of SA & M’s works can be yoga since they just remain in my memory for a few days at best and when I emerge into the outside world or mix with other people in chatrooms or at work I will land into their consciousness pretty quickly and forget all about God or being a saintly being LOL. I cannot sustain the “spirituality or unegoistic personality” until I constantly bring myself to read Sri Aurobindo’s works all the time daily (otherwise the words simply float out of my memory and I start having thoughts just as bad as the people surrounding me and all the over-sexualization found in the malls today!!)

        I’ve been trying really hard to always remember God at the back of my mind or try Nama-Japa whenever I’m outside or in company for the past 1 yr. I’m very interested to know if there are any other methods or techniques you all use to avoid lowering your consciousness or thoughts to a lower level (especially when outside or in a mall 😉 I also don’t think obsessively reading SA ‘s works is good at this point!!

      2. Sandeep Post author

        Nizken: I’m very interested to know if there are any other methods or techniques you all use to avoid lowering your consciousness or thoughts to a lower level (especially when outside or in a mall

        Nizken

        Move to India! There are malls but with very little skin on display. The Indian TV sitcoms are centered around family values while the American sitcoms which are replayed get censored with all their sexual innuendo bleeped out. You might get bored ! 🙂

        Seriously speaking, people who are struggling at your level should live in a place like Pondicherry which carries strong spiritual vibrations.

      3. nizken

        Is it really much easier to practice the spiritual life in India? Does it really have the culture and lifestyle which are conducive to practicing Yoga? Is it truly easier to say practice SA and Mother’s recommendations in India?
        I know it’s a huge country with a population of 1.3 billion so there must be lots of changing lifestyles and cultures within India. I’ve been thinking of moving back to India (Pondi perhaps) but I’m not sure if practicing Yoga is indeed easier there than say in New York or other parts of the world !!
        /nishat

      4. Sandeep Post author

        Most Indians are pretty materialistic. They mechanically carry on time-honoured ancestral traditions wherein you pray to God to give you health and well-being. The mass mind reduces religion to a bargaining proposition.

        You should come for a short stay and evaluate on your own. There are Westerners settled in Pondicherry and other holy places in India who seem to find it conducive to their spiritual growth. There have been others who found no such benefit.

      5. mwb6119

        Nizcen: ***I’m responding because I am finding solace in these recent discussions. I am not attempting to advise or direct. These are merely my experiences.

        “But the only problem was that I began living exclusively in my apartment and reading SA & M 12 or 14 hrs daily; not working; not having any friends not social life for the past 3 yrs. This has alarmed a lot of people”

        This is similar to my experience – my mother has been concerned (but supportive) and I do not have good relations with neighbors, no friends, etc…. I have always been quiet and naturally introverted, but nothing like this recent isolation experience has ever been the case. This all started when kundalini began to move well before I met SA and M. What I’ve been going through is the reversal-of-consciousness – mine has been a very long and gradual turn-a-round. But, now, things are finally improving internally, but not externally, not yet. How I see the world is changing from how I used to see it at an experiential level rather than intellectually or by acquisition of knowledge, etc…(if you know the story of King Lear, that may be a good observation). As well, the Divine delivered “blows” to assist with the breaking down of my separative-consciousness. These blows (circumstances) were usually intense and painful, yet, apparently necessary interruptions. Only now, retrospectively, what I have been through is beginning to make sense. But for a long time I felt alone, in the dark, unstable…. There were many positive events too, circumstances where people came along at certain times, or books falling open to the exact paragraph needed, even deep dreams, spiritual indications, intuitions, (and more instances than can be accounted for here) assisted me throughout the entire process up to this point.

        Although I do not read SA and M 14 hours a day I do still read a lot. More like eating and then taking time out to digest it all. I follow my natural rhythms rather than a disciplinary stratagem – works best for me. 🙂

        “are any other methods or techniques you all use to avoid lowering your consciousness or thoughts to a lower level (especially when outside or in a mall ;-)”

        If I could afford to I would follow Sandeep’s advice about moving to Pondi. 🙂 And living in a society that does not recognize nor support spiritual awakening makes it ever so hard, I feel like a deviant because I am not goose stepping to the staus-quo.

        Mine is easier now, but still I have to be careful. And I was just at the mall and now it is not so bad at all compared to before. For me the interior process (inner-development) was more or less acting of it’s own accord regardless to where I was at in my mind of lower consciousness. I was always surprised when I sensed something that appeared to be permanent, a stubborn habit, to almost suddenly disappear without notice. And many things I was unaware of would be brought to my attention so I could put them before the Divine and ask them to be removed. There is more going on than meets the eye in this work.

        “…you begin to understand that in spite of the blindness of man and deceptive appearances, the Grace is at work everywhere, so that at every moment it is the best possible thing that happens in the state the world is in at that moment. It is because our vision is limited or even because we are blinded by our own preferences that we cannot discern that things are like this.  But when one begins to see it, one enters upon a state of wonder which nothing can describe. For behind the appearances one perceives this Grace—infinite, wonderful, all powerful— which knows all, organises all, arranges all, and leads us, whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not, towards the supreme goal, that is, union with the Divine, the awareness of the Godhead and union with Him.  Then one lives in the Action and Presence of the Grace a life full of joy, of wonder, with the feeling of a marvellous strength, and at the same time with a trust so calm, so complete, that nothing can shake it any longer.”
        (Collected Works of the Mother, vol. 4, p 257)

        “Aspire intensely, 
        but without impatience.”
        Sri Aurobindo
        ref. Gems from Sri Aurobindo, First series, p.7

        ***Sorry this is so long. Did not mean to. 🙂

      6. mike

        Your life looks very similar to mine, mark. A mother, no friends [not now – l disassociated myself from them, because l thought they were dragging me down], don’t bother with neighbours etc…
        Yes, Pondi is nice depending on when you go , l think – no funds for that, either.
        Also, after reading about Sujata and Mother’s predictions [Sujata had several visions] about Pondi going under water – apparently to clean the corruption out, l’m not so sure about going there lol. Mother’s vision found Her in a cave after Pondi was inundated [must be symbolic l think], and when She came out, She spoke french to the people outside, but no one could understand the strange language [pondi is a french town and french is well known there ] – so this is obviously far into the future, after the flooding]. Satprem was speaking about the corruption at the ashram back in the 70’s [and how the ashram might be dismantled]. Presently, there is a court trial going on with alleged sex-abuse claims [against women and children at the ashram – if this isn’t true, please, someone correct me] in the ashram – it looks like Satprem’s accusations might be only now coming to light….

      7. Sandeep Post author

        Mike: Presently, there is a court trial going on with alleged sex-abuse claims [against women and children at the ashram – if this isn’t true, please, someone correct me] in the ashram –

        I dont have first-hand information but I am told that the allegations may not be entirely true. There may be “bad eggs” but these are not systemic abuses.

        Where did you read about Pondicherry being inundated ? In the Agenda.

        Nizken, you can visit Matagiri in the Catskills (http://www.matagiri.org). Good vibrations there as well

      8. mwb6119

        Mike: “…about Sujata and Mother’s predictions…” When I read about these type of things of the Mother’s, it is surreal. I can see into them now, but I’m not at that level of perception. Perhaps in the lifetimes to come. Death will meet me at anytime, I want to be there when it comes.

        In my case, all of my past contacts seemed to fall-out in due time. And I am continually tested , I am brought into situations with people and there is usually conflict, but recently I have begun to see the conflict dissolve – hard to explain now – something is shifting. It is like an avalanche, or Sri Pandit mentions how the “ego crust begins to crumble.” and in “The death of Ivan Illich” by Tolstoy, moments before his death he describes a “chafing effect.”

        Lately, the Mother has come to me – I don’t know why. Before I mostly was in contact with SA and I had very little insight into the Mother. And now I am more in touch with Her than Him. And this is how it goes, I did not anticipate this nor suddenly think “I need to connect with the Mother”. It just comes of it own. And rather than struggle to grow I find it best to take the back seat and let it happen. Also, another disciple came to me recently with this recent connection with the Mother: Karamyogi. I just started reading some of his writings on-line.

        Sandeep mentioned a place of higher vibration in the Catskills. A short distance from my home there is a wilderness area that I hike in. Before our (my ancestors) incursion the Native American Indians used it as a place of worship. I don’t sense any of that now, but I feel very connected there. I go there a lot.

  18. mike

    Nizken. lt looks like you were led to some sensible psychiatrists who didn’t want to drug you up to the eyeballs.
    14 hours a day seems a lot, but l’d say your just very stidious that’s all. lf you look at Spiritual Seekers around the world, especially those in ashrams and christian monasteries/nunneries etc. they’re doing the exact same thing [praying or meditating or reading scriptures] – your no different from them. ln my own case l don’t read much these days, l did in the past – now l seem to be constantly thinking about SA and M, [a good obsession l hope lol]. Some obsession are useful, after all….

    “Unfortunately I’m still obsessed with reading Sri Aurobindo & Mother a lot even though I’m not technically begun practicing Yoga”

    l believe reading their works is ‘practicing Yoga’ – they’re not just ordinary books, because they contain a Power and connect you with SA and M whether we know it or not. They have probably guided you to read like this IMO….

    “and maybe my vital has lost all interest in mundane affairs”

    That’s probably a blessing lol..

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  19. mike

    “Regarding the latter what has brought me comfort is SA’s Alipore Jail experience and how I was fortunate enough not to experience something like that”

    l don’t know, mark, l’d love to have SA’s jail experience, if you see what l mean lol.

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  20. mike

    “I’ve been trying really hard to always remember God at the back of my mind or try Nama-Japa whenever I’m outside or in company for the past 1 yr”

    Nizken, that’s what they call Spiritual practice. ln fact that’s been my method for many years.

    “Mike, I don’t know how just mental reading of SA & M’s works can be yoga since they just remain in my memory for a few days at best”

    Reading SA and M’s books goes deeper than the surface mind or memory – that’s why they put a special blessing on some of Satprem’s books [especially ‘adventure in consciousness’, l believe]. What you read there, makes a deep impression on the inner being and the Soul. Even though we aren’t aware of it, things are being done behind the veil..
    Walking through Mall’s is difficult, l know from personal daily experience. Wear some sunglasses. The distractions aren’t so bad, l find..lol

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    1. nizken

      Mike, my American name is Nick 😉 I have tried meditation especially the kind as described in Pavitra’s letters with Sri Aurobindo. I haven’t had a lot of success in it since my mind wanders quickly after say 4 or 5 minutes. So I stuck with nama-japa and prayer when at home. I still do meditation when on the subway train or walking outside in the forests.

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  21. mike

    Yes, the mind will do that – it’s better to call down the Peace from above, l think, and just wait for it to enter your body. Meditation becomes much easier then..
    l found this on a russian SA retreat site:

    “Some meditations were conducted through the Mentor’s reading of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother’s writings. By listening to them, Sadhakas were turning on and sinking into Sri Aurobindo’s mantra-language that possesses magnificent Divine Power. The extracts were dedicated to the surrender, spiritual aspiration, uncovering and opening up of the Soul and Psychic being.”

    http://www.purna-yoga.ru/en/news/retreat.php

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  22. mike

    Sandeep, the floodings are in Satprem’s ‘Notebooks of an Apocalypse’ vol-1 at the link below:
    http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/satprem/carnets_of_an_apocalypse_0001_e.htm

    Here is the relevant passage – it might be entirely symbolic, but it doesn’t really impress me that way. As Satprem points out the timescale is unknown.

    “I am convinced that Mother leads everything very exactly and that nothing happens without her allowing it. “A force stronger than the material forces,” she said. In fact, we must trust a lot. Yesterday, as we were learning of those people’s latest filthy tricks (I spare you that), Sujata told me in her very quiet little voice: “Pondicherry will go under water. A long period under water to purify the whole place,” and she suddenly remembered a vision she had had several times, quite a few years ago: she had seen water spreading throughout Pondicherry, a wide expanse of water, with above all a more precise vision of the street just in front of Nolini’s place, under Mother’s balcony. And in this water, countless beasts were struggling, huge cockroaches, as big as tortoises. It echoes a vision of Mother’s in ’57 or ’58, when she saw Pondicherry being engulfed, then years later, herself stepping out of a deep cave where She had remained throughout all this flood and trying to speak French to people who understood nothing of this strange language….Obviously, time’s dimensions are quite beyond our comprehension. But here is a nice little program of Pondicherrian and purifying drowning which is not all that bad, I think. Our departure from here may have more than one meaning. Only we must not be pressed for time”

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  23. mike

    “Lately, the Mother has come to me – I don’t know why. Before I mostly was in contact with SA and I had very little insight into the Mother. And now I am more in touch with Her than Him. And this is how it goes, I did not anticipate this nor suddenly think “I need to connect with the Mother”

    Yes mark, l know what you mean. l get experinces with the Master but quite often l will hear the Mother or feel her consciousness pulling me to HER or feel/see Her at the heart centre [although my subtle vision normally isn’t very clear]. I believe SA usually puts the Mother in front and He works behind like in shiva/shakti principle – that’s just how it is l think.. He normally puts the sadhaks in Mother’s hands. l mean l’ve seen them appear in a dream together, and the Mother took over the instruction afterwards.
    l do see SA alone in dreams as well, and He will tell me something or give an experience, but also l might see the Mother and She will send me to Him.. sorry, with me it seems to be all over the place.
    ln the waking stake as l said, l fairly often feel Mother pulling me to Her or l’ll hear Her say something [clairaudiently. l believe] – a word or phrase which has significance.

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    1. mwb6119

      My connection with SA and M are mostly subtle impressions, intuitive, imagination, and feeling-sensations. Never had a dream with either of them nor clairaudial communications. Apart from their writings I have subtle indications and impressions. Rarely if ever do I lay out distinct plans, for instance, a career plan. My life just never seemed to work that way. In fact everything I tried to do in the past never went very far before breaking down – my whole life story has been one of breaking down. I started to develop intuition in my late 20’s – I’m 52 now. I was not gifted (or severely blocked), and always felt that I was the least likely to excel in such matters. I know when something is meant for me and when it is not – it’s the vibration I can sense, the former will flow while the later will not.

      “I believe SA usually puts the Mother in front and He works behind like in shiva/shakti principle”

      I like this Mike. I believe/hope the Mother coming forward now is an indication that I am ready to move out of the dark of night and begin to walk in the light of day. Mother is practical, honoring honest work. Sri Pandit stated how she even preferred to talk to “simple, uncomplicated persons than those of high mental accomplishments.” [Selected Works of MP Pandit Vol 2]. I think the Mother and I would have gotten along well together since my progenitors were homesteader’s and practical craftsmen.

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  24. mike

    “In fact everything I tried to do in the past never went very far before breaking down”

    Yes, l’m familiar with that lol. Materially, l’ve never had much success – it could be my own fault, but it looks like one big lesson through humiliation to me. Mother was very much in favour of humiliation, because of it’s wake-up potential lol…. lf the Psychic Being is very mature or conscious then l think that person’s life will be constantly pushed in the right direction….

    You probably do meet them at night, just that the you don’t remember, that’s all. Like they’ve said, there needs to be a conscious bridge built in our consciousness between the different worlds..

    ” Sri Pandit stated how she even preferred to talk to “simple, uncomplicated persons than those of high mental accomplishments.”

    l can well believe that – Champaklal comes to mind, Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if She appeared at Medjugorge because the children there were simple-hearted, poor people, uncluttered by dogma etc – clean vessels, in other words, but very open to the Divine. Even today, as adults, they still seem like pure instruments – wouldn’t surprise me at all if Mother is there….

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    1. mwb6119

      “it could be my own fault, but it looks like one big lesson through humiliation to me”

      In both our cases I hope it is the later. 🙂 It appears to me to be just that. The Mother does say that everything that happens in a persons life is caused by the Divine to help the person reach Union – for persons destined for Union. I believe that. Otherwise all this effort was one big terrible mistake on my part. I’m sure that all that is happening now will have a positive effect upon future reincarnations.

      “lf the Psychic Being is very mature or conscious then l think that person’s life will be constantly pushed in the right direction….”

      I had imagined the Psychic Being becoming stronger and making such a change in my present life – like vibhuti. I never came to SA and M for a ‘power’ gain. I learned about their power well after meeting them. I’m mainly interested in transformation. Mother stated that we will not all become “supermental geniuses” but our lives will definitely improve as a direct result.

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  25. mike

    ” Mother stated that we will not all become “supermental geniuses” but our lives will definitely improve as a direct result.”

    Yes mark, there has been much talk about how this ‘supramental transformation’ will manifest. Lot’s of speculation by disciples and others. MP Pandit’s clairvoyant friend told him one day that he’d seen Mother’s Glorified body at the ashram [which you probably know about]. Then G Van Wrekham’s books on the ‘OVERMAN’, which is a transitional being between animal and Supramental man/woman. l think Mother has mentioned this transitional being, because it would be too soon for a direct Supramental change in humanity – but, l haven’t a clue really, and l always feel l have a long way to go lol….

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  26. mike

    l was reading what Mother said about reading ‘SAVITRI’ and it would seem this is the only book worth reading. SA considered it to be His True legacy to the world. Mother told a sadhak in this famous letter:

    “My child, everyday you are going to read Savitri; read properly, with the right attitude, concentrating a little before opening the pages and trying to keep the mind as empty as possible, absolutely without a thought. The direct road is by ‘the heart’. I tell you, if you try to concentrate really with this aspiration in a very short time, perhaps in a few days. What you cannot do normally, you can do with the help of Savitri. Try and you will see how very different it is, how new, if you read with this attitude, with this something at the back of your consciousness; as throughout it were an offering to Sri Aurobindo. You know it is charged, fully charged with consciousness; as though Savitri were a being, a real guide. I tell you, whoever, wishing to practise Yoga, tries sincerely and feels the necessity for it, will be able to climb with the help of Savitri to the highest step of the ladder of Yoga, will be able to find the secret that Savitri represents. And this without the help of a Guru. And he will be able to practise it anywhere. For him Savitri alone will be the guide, for all, that he needs he will find in Savitri. If he remains very quiet when before a difficulty, or when he does not know where to turn to go forward and how to overcome obstacles, for all these hesitations and these incertitudes which overwhelm us at every moment, he will have the necessary indications, and the necessary concrete help. If he remains very calm, open, if he aspires sincerely, always he will be as if led by the hand. If he has faith, the will to give himself and essential sincerity he will reach the final goal.

    Indeed, Savitri is something concrete, living, it is all replete, packed with consciousness, it is the supreme knowledge above all human philosophies and religions. It is the spiritual path, it is Yoga, tapasya, sadhana, everything, in its single body. Savitri has an extraordinary power, it gives out vibrations for him who can receive them, the true vibrations of each stage of consciousness. It is incomparable, it is truth in its plenitude, the truth Sri Aurobindo brought down on the earth. My child, one must try to find the secret that Savitri represents, the prophetic message Sri Aurobindo reveals there for us. This the work before you, it is hard but it is worth the trouble.”

    Full article:
    http://www.searchforlight.org/savitriAtalkByMother.htm

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  27. mwb6119

     Union with the
    Divine Consciousness and Will  

    [Source: Questions and Answers Vol 3 The Mother]
     
    The force which, when absorbed in the Ignorance, takes the form of vital desires is the same which, in its pure form, constitutes the push, the dynamis towards transformation. Consequently, you must beware at the same time of indulging freely in desires, thinking them to be needs which must be satisfied, and of rejecting the vital force as positively evil. What you should do is to throw the doors of your being wide open to the Divine. The moment you conceal something, you step straight into Falsehood. The least suppression on your part pulls you immediately down into unconsciousness. If you want to be fully conscious, be always in front of the Truth – completely open yourself and try your utmost to let it see deep inside you, into every corner of your being. That alone will bring into you light and consciousness and all that is most true. Be absolutely – modest  that is to say, know the distance between what you are and what is to be, not allowing the crude physical mentality to think that it knows when it does not, that it can judge when it cannot. Modesty implies the giving up of yourself to the Divine whole-heartedly, asking for help and, by submission, winning the freedom and absence of responsibility which imparts to the mind utter quietness. Not otherwise can you hope to attain the union with the Divine Consciousness and the Divine Will. Of course it depends on the path by which you approach the Divine whether the union with the Consciousness comes first or with the Will. If you go deep within, the former will naturally precede, whereas if you take a standpoint in the universal movement the latter is likely to be realised first; but it is not quite possible to make a cut and dried generalisation because the sadhana is a flexible and fluid thing and also because the Divine Consciousness and Will are very closely connected with each other, being two aspects of one single Being. Take note,  
    Page – 133

    however, that the merely external similarity of your thought or action does not prove that this union has been achieved. All such proofs are superficial, for the real union means a thorough change, a total reversal of your normal consciousness. You cannot have it in your mind or in your ordinary state of awareness. You must get clean out of that – then and not till then can you be united with the Divine Consciousness. Once the union is really experienced the very idea of proving it by the similarity of your thought and action with mine will make you laugh. People living together in the same house for years or coming in daily intimate contact with one another develop a sort of common mind – they think and act alike. But you cannot claim to be like the Divine by such merely mental contact; you must consent to have your consciousness entirely reversed! The genuine sign of the union is that your consciousness has the same quality, the same way of working as the Divine’s and proceeds from the same supramental source of Knowledge. That you sometimes happen to act in the external field as the Divine appears to act may be nothing save coincidence, and to demonstrate the union by such comparisons is to try to prove a very great thing by a very small one! The true test is the direct experience of the Divine Consciousness in whatever you do. It is an unmistakable test, because it changes your being completely. Evidently, you cannot at once be fixed in the Divine Consciousness; but even before it settles in you, you can have now and then the experience of it. The Divine Consciousness will come and go, but while the union lasts you will be as if somebody else! The whole universe will wear a new face and you yourself as well as your perception and vision of things will be metamorphosed. So long as you lack the experience you are inclined to look for proofs: proofs and results are secondary  what the union fundamentally means is that in your consciousness you know more than a human being. It is all to the good if, owing to your acquiring a pure, calm and receptive mind, you manage to think and act in accordance with my intentions.  
    Page – 134

    But you must not mistake a step on the way for the final goal. For the chief difference between the positive union and mental receptivity is that I have to formulate what I want you to carry out and put the formula into your pure and calm mind, whereas in the case of the actual union I need not formulate at all. I just put the necessary truth-consciousness in you and the rest automatically works out, because it is I myself who am then in you… I dare say it is all rather difficult for you to imagine, the experience being well-nigh indescribable. It is, however, less difficult to imagine the union of the will with the Divine Will, for you can imagine a Will which is effective without struggle and victoriously manifest everywhere. And if all your will tends to unite with it, then there is something approaching a union. That is to say, you begin to lose your separate egoistic will and your being thirsts naturally to fulfil the Divine’s behest and, without knowing even what the supreme Will is, wills exactly what the Divine wishes. But this means an unquestioning acceptance of the Higher Guidance. The energy in you which is deformed into vital desire but which is originally the urge towards realisation must unite with the Divine Will, so that all your power of volition mingles with it as a drop of water with the sea. No more then its own weaknesses and failings, but evermore the supreme quality of the Divine Will – Omnipotence!    
    Page – 135

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  28. nizken

    wow what an incredible passage from the Mother’s words upon Consciousness and Will, there is such a force in this passage above.
    Is it allright to read other people’s words like say Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Swami Vivekananda, Yogananda etc.? Has anyone here read these other spiritual personalities’ works or does it interfere and cause too much confusion in the mind? I read the blogpost here that says comparing different gurus can be a bad thing and that spiritual forces may even contrast and interfere with each other.
    But recently I have become obsessed with the “Gospel of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa” which I find extremely beautiful.
    http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/index.htm

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    1. Sandeep Post author

      Nizken: I read the blogpost here that says comparing different gurus can be a bad thing and that spiritual forces may even contrast and interfere with each other.

      Comparing and studying is not a problem. Taking initiation (diksha) from different Gurus simultaneously causes problems.

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  29. mike

    “Gospel of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa”

    Yes, l read the ‘gospel’ and the ‘life of Sarad Devi’ some years ago and was very impressed, but l still ended up with SA and M. So, l think if we are mean’t to be with a particular Guru, we will be no matter what.
    Anyway, thanks to Nick and Sandeep for clearing that up.

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  30. Gopal.M

    Heard of shakti shiva , YIn-Yang . But reading more about the Yinyang of the Tao shows a detailed way to understand the rhythms. yinyang is relative and not absolute, but still a good pointer and help towards the universal Life. This is something to explore in daily Life. For more information, please see this web site which i found very informative and thought should share with you guys. kindly look at these sections like-
    24 Hour Yin Yang Cycle , general qualities of yinyang.structure and function, Blood, Body Fluids, and Qi,Conservation/Store (Yin) and Transformation/Change (Yang)

    http://www.sacredlotus.com/theory/yinyang.cfm

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